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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:54:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:Well, I'm getting a copy of it on CD in what I assume is a 144Kbps format. Is there any chance of maybe getting an imprint in Vinyl done from the original recording? I'm guessing there's more than a few audiophiles willing to check if Eve has sound or not? Simple question, Dev answers get double chocolate chip cookies 
You do realize that (for audiophile purposes) the recording would need to have been created originally using analog recording equipment for a Vinyl copy to be worth having?
Not too many places do that any more (its a huge PITA), making it unlikely it was used in this case. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:06:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:I assumed they would have recorded it in either analogue or a very high fidelity digital for editing from the original recording. I'm kinda new to this side of audio to be honest 
Recording in all analog is still done, just not very often. Once a recording has been in digital form however, copies taken from that lose all the "good stuff" that having an analog copy preserves.
Drums are often recorded via analog methods, and then the tracks are bounced to digital copies for mixing/editing/mastering with the other instrument and/or vocal tracks. Some guitar purists will only record playing through tube amps and tube microphones (for analog warmth) but the recording of that is still done digitally.
brinelan wrote:Do records really sound better? I hear that every now and then but I haven't used a record player since I had a fisher price one as a kid and 5 year olds generally don't care about sound quality.
If you can really tell the difference (using good quality playback gear and recordings) you might just be an audiophile. Most people can't, and after we all get to be about 30, we have lost a lot of our high frequency hearing above 14Khz anyway. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Classical should only be heard on vinyl, like this particular recording.
If the original (master recording) in question was recorded via analog means, and you have the right analog home audio gear to reproduce the sound, you are 100% correct. Otherwise vinyl made from digital masters retain none of the desirable tonal and frequency range qualities they would have if the master was also analog.
Classical and instrumental music are definitely best enjoyed when both the original recording and playback use high-quality analog methods, but contemporary Pro digital recording gear has made doing so virtually obsolete and cost prohibitive. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:19:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: After about 1978 it was standard for turntables to have speed adjustment wheels so yes they were 100% accurate.....as accurate as you are wrong..
Most consumer turntables were belt driven and thus could hardly be expected to be accurate in terms of RPM and that is why they had a "pitch control" knob or slider for making minor RPM adjustments +/- . This adjustment existed in the 60's and still does today even on the superior direct drive models but now it's used more for "beatmatching" than correcting the RPM speed.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:18:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I'm wondering the sample rate or whatever is better with digital these than in the early days. I don't really notice that digital sound anymore-- kind of like sharp, crisp, flat layers. Then again I haven't heard vinyl in years, nothing to compare too.
Yes, sampling rates have, and are still improving, and the A/D and D/A converters available now are a lot better. The quality of a signal converter is a key factor, and you can spend some serious dosh on 24-bit exotic A/D that can only really achieve 21-22 bit performance, but the specs on such devices are nonetheless far better than humans can hear or perceive.
Most consumer sound cards, and personal electronics use cheap D/A converters, cheap output filters, and inadequate (even non-existent) pre-amps, so it does not really matter how good the original digital recording was if the output device cannot reproduce it fully or cleanly prior to amplification. This combined with lossy MP3 compression are enough to make anyone cringe who has heard what a really good vinyl recording or AMPEX reel played back through proper equipment sounds like. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.20 14:26:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: Well, actually there's massive amounts of scientifically accurate evidence that says there isn't one, and a whole lot of people saying "I *can* hear a difference, but not if you test me on it!"
I guess I'm not human then as I can tell in a blind-hearing demonstration. If it's the same song or whatever. Difference is night and day. But you go ahead and believe your fantasy. That's just fine.
Perhaps use a better setup and stop listening to MP3s?
Otherwise the recording being digital if what you are listing to is a CD or lossless format is not likely your problem, your ability to play it back properly is. Consumer digital playback devices only have "good enough" D/A converters and not good ones, that difference can definitely be night and day and can certainly be heard.
See: Jitter, not to be confused with twitter.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.20 15:04:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Perhaps use a better setup and stop listening to MP3s?
I'm basing my experience on recordings made during the first 20 years of my life before CD's were even available, as contrasted with digital formats at that early time, and now. It's 28 years later, and my mind just is not going to be changed on this ever. Sorry.
Could you maybe give some specific examples? Otherwise it just sounds like you are saying you only remember it sounded better without actually doing any kind of direct comparison. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just pointing out you probably came to your conclusion (as many do) without comparing apples to apples. To change your mind I would have to demonstrate the differences (or lack thereof), something that is not possible if you are not using a CD-player with digital outputs feeding into a $1500 reference D/A converter and preamp.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:40:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Once again, it's Science vs. Religion.
Factual proof that not only shows most people cannot tell the difference, but also that they are usually horrendously wrong, well outside of any statistical average that one would expect from a reasoned comparison.
vs.
The belief (confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof -dictionary.com) that "well, I can hear the difference". I guess my 7 years of musical training tricks me into what I'm hearing.
Was that "music" training specifically working as a studio and/or audio engineer?
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:For once I agree with Whitehound, there is a difference between digital and analogue recordings. It's not so much about the sound, as about the warmth and clarity of the sound, both of which are one of the results of the sounds that a human shouldn't be able to hear, high end audio gear is also important for a good sound, a decent amp providing 7 watts RMS sounds a lot better than some cheap mickey mouse amp boasting 400 watts of bullshit power (PMPO,MAX etc)
Except that analog recordings have frequency response limitations that exist *within* the range of human hearing. That warmth and clarity you perceive is being generated by the playback equipment and not the recording. The original sound engineers involved in the mastering also have a bit to do with it.
That's why tube preamps are so darn awesome in any home audio setup, because they bring that analog "feeling" to the party whether the original source material is analog or digital.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Was that "musical" training specifically working as a studio and/or audio engineer?
1 year of that in addition to 7 years of actual music studies and performing. Concurrent actually.
O.K. so you you are a musician and not a audio or studio engineer, check.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:54:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Except that analog recordings have frequency response limitations that exist *within* the range of human hearing. That warmth and clarity you perceive is being generated by the playback equipment and not the recording. Nonsense. Echoes, hall, vibrations, distortions, dampening and other effects all take place at any frequency. Even when you measure the frequency range of a component do you use a measuring device, which in itself posses characteristics that you cannot deny. You still do not get that these all play a role in what we hear in the end.
If the tape being used to record has an upper frequency limit of 18Khz, any vibrations or distortions that occur at 19Khz or above (for instance) are not recorded. That's all I am saying, there are limits to what gets captured/recorded. I am not arguing the equipment in the chain has no affect on the final product because they definitely do, and is one of the reasons DOLBY noise reduction was created.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bah! Give it up Jonah. It's just feeding him at this point.
He's the kind who would argue that "2001" is a terrible science fiction film because it doesn't have any lazerz pew-pew.
[citation needed]
2001 was an awesome movie. I even have it on laser disk if you want to get into that discussion.
Thou dost assume to much about Doc methinks. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:27:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
2001 was an awesome movie. I even have it on laser disk if you want to get into that discussion.
Thou dost assume to much about Doc methinks.
Your otherwise stubborn determination to be "absolutely correct and king and guardian of all Correct Knowledge" is not only unbecoming and immature, it's the same problem that has been affecting the American political system for the past 5 years.
So, now this is a politics thread?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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